Didn't Hom scarlet witch got switched to planet level twice so she isn't. He can literally “retcon” the Beyonders into existence when they didn’t used to. Beyonder doesn't have omniversal feats to even put him on an omniversal level, much less beyond omniversal level. This is Post Retcon Beyonder. Honestly, I don't know of any feat that proves WP. The conversation about pre-retcon Beyonder?s power have torn down the thread about Thanos with the heart?s power. They know that he is capable of ending them with naught but a thought, and that engenders a feeling in them they've never known- fear. " Classic Beyonder would defeat COIE Anti Monitor and Spectre ( at Peak. 13. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. Beyonder. However, let's remember; PR Beyonder let Dr. Victor knows about Beyonder's powers so if he knows that LF is powerful than Cosmic cube why doesn't he just says “ Even the powers of The 'Cosmic cube' was. 1. Beyonder (pre retcon) Fixed. Mad Jim Jaspers. Origin: Marvel Comics. NOTHING. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. cweaver • 7 yr. Round 3: Cosmic Armor Superman: CAS stomps. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. When talking Beyonder, We're referring to a dude whose power level was measured as "quintillions" of times greater than everything in the multiverse combined, and laughed off a. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). . Wiki Points. Round 2 : Post Retcon. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. I don’t think Lucifer scales above them. Beyonder can create and destroy multiverse just by thiniking. #2 Edited By Hulkman123. The Tribunal wins this without even breaking a sweat. But it wont be easy by no means. so what beyonder does that agianst guys 1000x their level. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Powers are basically the same thing. Battle. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. That was the whole point of "Secret Wars II. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. Pre-Retcon Beyonder v. He should win against Lucifer. I think he wins this. Forum Posts. The more you use dimensional levels as a way to mean the character wins only makes them lose because the higher the dimensional level doesnt mean anything lmao. Jan 22, 2017. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. 8 years ago. The story is a flashback to the original Secret Wars so he had Pre-Retcon Beyonder's powers, that's the Spider-Man being used. and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. ) No speculation UNLESS implied orconfirmed by author or company to be true. :The mage went to their respective verses o fight 4. At the height of his power, Pre-Retcon Beyonder gave everything that existed a few hours to continue existing before he wiped everything out. The 2nd Existential Seed said: Beyonder is either one of two things: Millions times stronger then Eternity, or millions times more powerful than LT + ( Even though I believe the first ) . The Presence is an omnipotent God, I take it? Forums. Follow 41274. Round 1 - The Beyonders & Thanos HOTU vs Pre-Retcon BeyonderAnd the Beyonder and the Molecule Man are in fact, two halves of one such Cosmic Cube. Follow 379. Defenders Beyond prove GoS abilities work on Beyonders or no. Gan & Crimson King VS Pre Retcon Beyonder. MCU God of stories Loki vs Pre Retcon Beyonder. And Beyonder's Void sees less of Marvel's Creation than Oblivion's Void does. Pre-Ret MM having abstracts such as LT and Eternity beg him to fight Beyonder implies he's one incredibly powerful dude. 7. After discovering and observing our universe (616) through the pinhole, Beyonder destroys an entire galaxy and creates the battle world from it to act as a battlefield for the secret war between the superheroes and villains - Scan 1 and Scan 2. ago. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. - Neither. The Beyonders call the. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. Pre-Retcon Beyonder Thread starter shrike2003; Start date May 26, 2006; Who rapes whom? The Spectre, at his max, is basically GOD!!. He stomps. 3: Pre-retcon Beyonder 4: Post-retcon Beyonders. But you are right about Elder God Demonbane being created just to be all powerful, Pre-Retcon Beyonder is kind of the same he was created to be TOAA of another multiverse outside of the Marvel. it would be mostly stalemate. These sorts of characters tend to push higher on the scale occasionally -- notably, Molecule Man was able to match Pre-Retcon Beyonder and he and Franklin Richards recreated the multiverse. 11. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Word Lords, the Celestis, Faction Paradox, etc. The being known as the Beyonder is, in fact, a young member of an. #5. Franklin Richards (when he has powers), Molecule Man, Mad Jim Jaspers, Job Burke, and other universal- to multiversal-level reality warpers. and also white phoenix cant beat toaa but im sure she can eaither salemate prerecton beyonder r at least beat him through. Wiki Points. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used (yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). Reviews: 0. and lady death is just skeleton level because she is a skeleton. That's all there is to it. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. New Comics. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. -Both sides have a week of prep. That said, outside of raw power I’d believe Lucifer could trick him or otherwise outwit him. This also includes any editing errors, spelling errors, grammar errors etc. Let's put it this way. And to consider, that for being a Creature of all encompassing power, SK's brides arent really that powerfull when 6 of them were already destroyed by SCP and the seventh is simply prevented from existing by using Procedure-110 Montuak. Power Grid [27] Intelligence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. 1. 3. Pre Retcon Beyonder sees an. Forum Posts. Super Power Score and Level. Thanos with the HotU has destroyed a Celestial, absorbed every Marvel hero, and then subsequently Eternity, Infinity, and the Living Tribunal. Even if Thanos had 100 years prep and had the IG, PR Beyonder erases him from existence with his hand. Everybody bows down to Pre-retcon Beyonder. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. Pre Retcon Beyonder coming to Marvel Multiverse due to curiosity is also a karma. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. On the other hand, though, hasn't Doctor Doom. and lady death is just skeleton level because she is a skeleton. Doctor Manhattan was the only superpowered being in a world of basically ordinary superheroes. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. 9 years ago. 11. Is Pre-Retcon Beyonder more powerful than The One Above All? 57 results 1 2 #1 Edited By firewrkninja on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. . Marvel has it's entire cosmology absolutely filthy with things with a canonical power level of "infinite". Post-Retcon Molecule Man easily overpowered the Post-Retcon Beyonder. g: Nyx (Persona), Lord Boros. show 3 replies . The beyonder = The One above all. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Nope. #1 Hello, I completely redid Beyonder's power and abilities section from scratch. Does it matter by that logic Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) because he didnt resist doom taking his power thats a contradiction in your opinion about PR Beyonder. Stronger than scp-3125 who in turn can exist in noosphere, noosphere contains and surpass narrative within scp which in turn even one narrative in surpass uncountable infinite narratives and oh yeah by the way this is THE SMALLEST narrative and it’s already pre retcon beyonder in turn there are infinite narratives which each surpass each other in turn of transcendent and this is still on the. But I no good enough knowing about Lucifer Morningstar . Cosmic Armor Superman is two infinities greater than a multiverse whilst Beyonder is only a million times greater than a Multiverse that does not even expand. The first pre-retcon Beyonder dies. Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse. New Comics. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. . Well seeing how ive been told i need to tone down the Superman stuff. - featherin vs Lamdadelta (not an actual battle, featherin smashed/trashed Lamda with no actual effort) 3. Rune King Thor is still under Omnipotent beings such as The-One-Above-All and Pre-Retcon Beyonder. g: Master Roshi, Donkey Kong. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. During most of the trial, he was a silent witness, holding Protege, the Beyonder, and the Guardians of the Galaxy, while the Tribunal, Eternity, and the Hawk God argued the case. The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. . Nothing can come close to infinite creation and/or destruction. We know that there are multiversals, but Pre-Retcon Beyonders kinda man handled LT from what I understood so it's kinda hard to say who would win. Powers and Stats. Both are in character. Lucifer Morningstar. Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". Ima go with byonder. Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse itself and is. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. The Beyonder is straight up more powerful than the character used as The One Above All's proxy. 81. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. Marvel's Multiverse was not using Type III Multiversal Expansion. Phoenix Taaia 26. Mxyzptlk. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. Gen. Discussion; Bug Reporting; Delete/Combine PagesPre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes. 7 years ago. Going by Cosmology Tiering. Archived post. Fight takes place in current DC universe. 0. When Peter had Beyonder's powers for just a. Deku remembers All Might then poof PRB is knocked out. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). cweaver • 7 yr. In Avengers Beyond #1, the Beyonder race was revealed to be created by Cal-Horra (clarified to be a creation of the Celestials in issues #4 – 5) and their power originated. Thanos here probably has more power but Beyonder might win off of a technicality. Galactus Fused 23. pre-retcon Beyonder. 0. Also the Beyonder is whatever he decides to be. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. The Beyonder can't do anything to this level of OP shit. A few pages leter Beyonder comes back kills Doom and starts curb stomping everyone including wrecking the mutli verse and breaking apart countless realities That's what Pre Retcon Beyonder is A. Beyonder is hurt. Follow 3300. Name:' The Beyonder, The One From Beyond, The One Who is All, Frank. Origin: Marvel Comics. Black Celestial Galactus (not sure). The more you use dimensional levels as a way to mean the character wins only makes them lose because the higher the dimensional level doesnt mean anything lmao. 4 years ago s1ckb0yBeak and Toad are on the same level as Daredevil,. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. Sep 6, 2015. High-End Composite Time Lords and High-End Interpretation Downstreamers 3. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Strange, Sorcerer Supreme 10: The In-Betweener. Beyonder displayed far superior implicated power than the. Beyonder snorts him. Even Molecule Man at the height of his powers was almost nothing to Beyonder. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. Also CAS safe stomps round 4, 7 and probably round 10 as well. so that places a limit on his power. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A. Jim Shooter who was the. Inherent in his almost limitless psionic abilities the Beyonder has the potential to affect reality in a manner that could, in theory, simulate virtually any power. 6 years ago. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. Lucifer deletes LT, PRB deletes Lucy then recreates LT. And again, this requires their power to be bound, in a sense, such as when gods are unable to interact with the mortal plane directly and must work through agents there instead. Stronger than scp-3125 who in turn can exist in noosphere, noosphere contains and surpass narrative within scp which in turn even one narrative in surpass uncountable infinite narratives and oh yeah by the way this is THE SMALLEST narrative and it’s already pre retcon beyonder in turn there are infinite narratives which each surpass each other in. Is Pre-Retcon Beyonder more powerful than The One Above All? 57 results 1 2 #1 Edited By firewrkninja on TOAA's page it says that he is the most powerful being in the marvel multiverse. Multi-Abstract= Multi-Eternity. There is no way to square all of the things The Beyonder could do pre-retcon with the origin they assigned to him post-retcon, so you kind of need to make a distinction between the. Nightmare All Dreams 24. 2. Sort by:Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Beyonder 73%. -5. Pre retcon, the Beyonder was the most powerful being in the Marvel universe. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. TheChoosenMewtwo • 10 mo. Someones who can ONESHOT multiverse > > > > > someones who. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. Then there is Inhuman/Mutant beyonder who had nothing to do with The beyonders. IMO Lucifer convinces the Beyonder to kill himself. 111 results. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. DC's cosmology is bigger than current Marvel's (due to the absolutely ungodly nerfs), but it's definitely not larger than Classic Marvel, where PRB hails from. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. VS. @hyperbeing said:. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. 33. 2. the_doctor. 2nd Retcon - The BEyonder. Furthermore, Mandrakk also. Beyonder can no longer kill someone against their will. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. edit2: One big gotcha I should mention. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. just solved the Dazzler half of. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. K. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is far. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Unless you thought that this was IG Thanos and Post-Retcon Beyonder, in which case your assessment makes sense. 2. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. Beyonder can’t catch Alison before she dies. He is a cosmic cube which is an Omni-dimensional object that can expand infinitely but that is only a limited part of him because he limits himself. This is came from a Handbook that is for Cosmic Cube Beyonder but this Handbook is a reference to his ORIGINAL character for Beyonder in Secret Wars 1-2No struggle, no real story. no one can tell, if he was less powerful than TOAA or equal, PR Beyonder was stated by Stan lee to be omnipotent, but the meaning of omnipotent is debatable. on Beyonder's page it says he is over a million times more poweDoom manages to steal Beyonder’s power. honestly, i'm just here as a beyonder fan (even if he's terrible). The Two fight in the beyond realm. He actually eradicated Death, and was not bound by any rules, anything really, with his power. super strength is not worth much in such a fight. FIN7 • 5 July 2018 • User blog:FIN7. 0. " So, name someone. But it doesn't end there. Then there the Beyonder Child unit thing that is related to The beyonders. Endless Mike. And the modern US military can easily beat Homelander, but a few thousand guys are dying. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. Someone that is perhaps the only rival of Pre-Retcon Beyonder, a crazy powerful reality bender that once clashed with Beyonder. 5 years ago. Inherent in his almost limitless psionic abilities the Beyonder has the potential to affect reality in a manner that could, in theory, simulate virtually any power. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. Could go either way, but I'm siding with Beyonder. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. Destiny is shown to be above DC as a whole. 5 years ago. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty). R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Even if. Ahl God Of Superheroes 20. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being. Be careful man, soon the Lucifer fanboys will come out and lecture you about how Lucifer will curbstomp every single fictional being. They both basically live outside of the multiverses that they are part of. Fighting place: Dr. Lucifer is a different beast. let's wait and see his actual feats. Apr 8, 2018. Beyonder Doom 14. If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. 5. That's all there is to it. SCP 3812 will just blink Pre Retcon Beyonder out of existence easily. I agree, but you have to understand that the only things in the Marvel Multiverse more powerful than the Infinity Stones, and by extension the Gauntlet, are the The Living Tribunal, The Heart of the Universe, The Fulcrum (which is the man Jack Kirby himself), pre-retcon Beyonder (arguably), The Marquis of Death (non-canon), and. He has the best battle feats, taking on the Celestials, the Molecule Man. #6 Edited By DC_Marvel_1000. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. 3. . Holo-Man • 3 yr. Prior to being retconned totally out of power and relevance, the Beyonder was basically the most powerful being in all of Marvel comics, totally. R1 - Beyonder godstomps effortlessly, he's millions of times more powerful than the Marvel multiverse, which is infinitely bigger than Dragon Ball's multiverse. If you can find a single DBS character (aside from Zeno) who could solo any of these, I’ll be impressed. Pre-Retcon Beyonder: On the opposite side of that spectrum, is the Beyonder. Gan and Crimson King are basically super-amped versions of P. Mr. 3. #18 Edited By Kingant27. Follow 21460. However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. Manhattan is super strong. Preretcon Beyonder wins. The Crimson King from The Dark Tower fights The Pre-Retcon Beyonder from Marvel. Dr. Forum Posts. GhostRavage. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. Powers and Stats. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. Post-retcon Beyonder loses hands-down. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. Forums. CitizenSentry. If you can think about beating TOAA, Beyonder can do that. #36. After that he was retconned to a far less powerful cosmic cube. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. 1. Thanos HOTU has a fraction of the power of the One-Above-All, the most powerful being of both the Marvel and DC Universes. #18 Edited By Kingant27. Eru Iluvatar is more like SCP 3812 but. 1. Pre-Retcon Beyonder can resurrect the Dead and can give whoever Power they never once had. The Spectre (at MAXIMUM Potential) vs. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. The Beyonder is a cosmic being of immense power, often labelled as omnipotent during the issues of Secret Wars, and much stronger than all the other cosmic entities. . Poll Scathan The Approver vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (84 votes) Scathan 26%. 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube. ) No Superman anything, gonna at least make this sorta interesting 2. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. #1 Edited By slacker the hacker. #17. This was not just simply the power of Transcendence. (after experiencing limitation during the Doom comedy in SWI) Genius, in terms of a perfect segue to sell more comics. He should win against Lucifer. This would eventually change with later stories, as writers would rewrite and retcon the Beyonder's character and origin, to decrease his power and importance in the Cosmic Hierarchy. He made it so the Beyonders created the multiverse. here are the rules. 0. Add a Comment. Combine Pre-Retcon Beyonder and all the Marvel reality warpers, as well as Manhattan and. Yeah true. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. Was mind-haxxed/poisoned by Multiversal knowledge, despite being more than thousands of degrees more powerful than such things. Pre retcon Beyonder is not a part of Thanos's multiverse, and would thus be unaffected by the HotU. Business, Economics, and Finance. . Classic Doctor Strange has 3 months of prep. Stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. The Beyonder is the physical manifestation of the beyond realm itself, the beyond realm is superior/transcendent over the marvel Multiverse in it's entirety, is beyond all planes of reality and myriad dimensions. Round 3: Cosmic Armor Superman: CAS stomps. Forum Posts. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. g: Hulk (strongest variant), Sargeras. Beyonder is the absolute strongest in comics, he has power of. 9 years ago. Most gods do not place anywhere close to 100 so basically asking if a character or creature reached this power level well they would surpass any of the canon gods.